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#35333 - 09/10/07 10:42 AM Re: NCTM Certification [Re: Dolce]
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YAHOO! You'll be glad you're doing this.
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#35334 - 09/10/07 02:52 PM Re: NCTM Certification [Re: Q88keys]
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Aauurrgggghhh! I think I just got SCREWED on the requirements and will have to take the history test:

The Melissa gal emailed that they go only on semesters and quarters, not hours. A "semester" at a 4-1-4 college ends up with students attending a single class more hours per semester or quarter than a school on semester or college plan. This seems kinda silly - I wonder how they take summer sessions into account then. Anyone know?

Do you guys think 16th/17th century counterpoint would be considered a history course? What about Form and Analysis?

And someone answer ruthc's question, please. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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#35335 - 09/10/07 06:02 PM Re: NCTM Certification [Re: Lisa Kalmar]
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Lisa:

I don't think they'll count the counterpoint or F/A as history -- those courses are music theory (although you naturally learn some history with it as you go).

Good luck!

(and don't you mean Pianoc, not Ruthc? Or did I miss something somewhere?)

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#35336 - 09/10/07 08:55 PM Re: NCTM Certification [Re: pianoc]
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pianoc, if you have no college credits you'll have to take 3 proficiency tests in Music History, Music Theory, and Piano Pedagogy, plus satisfy the performance requirement. Then everyone has to either put together a portfolio or take the certification test (3hr. essay test) When these steps are each fulfilled, you'll be certified.

My best advice is to find someone in your state organization to mentor you, or at least find one other friend to go through this process together. Bouncing ideas off one another helps so much. Let us know how it goes.

Go to the website mtna.org for complete information. Contact Melissa Curtice - she's very helpful.
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#35337 - 09/10/07 11:44 PM Re: NCTM Certification [Re: Q88keys]
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Thanks, Arlene. That's what I thought as well. I think I'll be PMing Marcia soon for extra advice. Too bad they don't have the cool program here that the Minneapolis group does!

Marcia, did you know when you made the application that they would count the ed psyche towards the pedagogy part?

I still think I need to sit down with a 10 pound box of cookies to wade through all of this stuff again! It will probably be easier when I get the transcripts in front of me. All those classes were so long ago it's hard to remember.

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#35340 - 09/11/07 01:51 AM Re: NCTM Certification [Re: Lisa Kalmar]
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Thanks to our mentor, I did know what credits would qualify for each requirement. Any "teaching" credit will do for the pedagogy. I actually think I ended up using piano ped plus teaching secondary music for the pedagogy. It ends up being pretty cut and dried which credits qualify for theory, history, and pedagogy once you get your transcripts in front of you. I was a little put-off that I had to take history, but I got over it. It was actually a good refresher.

Is there any possibility of getting a group started in KC?
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#35341 - 09/11/07 09:33 AM Re: NCTM Certification [Re: Q88keys]
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Hmmm...I wonder if choral methods/conducting could count towards the pedagogy. That was definitely "teachy". I also vaguely remember doing an independent study one semester by arrangement with my piano professor that involved a survey of piano methods. This entailed me going to the music store and then typing up lists on a manual typewriter using onion skin paper because that was erasable and I didn't officially know how to type. You Young Ones out there don't know how good you have it now!

I have never read anything about certification stuff here. Based upon my observation, the KC teacher scene, in comparison to everywhere else I've lived, seems totally detached from a large chunk of the MTNA world out there, other than using MTNA for the auditions and things. That part is enormously competitive. I think it might be because the UMKC Conservatory experience seems to isolate people into cliques when they are grownups, plus the interest seems to be more in performance issues over pedagogy and learning theory. There is also little involvement by KC members in the state organization. \:\( I would say between 8-10 go to conference every year out a LARGE group! This was the total opposite of Texas, even with gigantic metros like Dallas and Houston. TMTA ruled down there, as God intends it. ;\) It could be something is happening in Wichita. That's a 3 hour drive, but it might be worth it if they do something once a month.


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#35350 - 09/11/07 09:02 PM Re: NCTM Certification [Re: Lisa Kalmar]
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I think you'd find things quite different in Wichita, only 3 hours away!

I would think the choral methods think might count. The independent study thing should as well. And I remember typewriters, too! MB had a manual when I started college and eventually graduated to an electric (on which he kept jamming the keys \:\) ). I about fell over when he got a computer.

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#35366 - 09/12/07 10:39 PM Re: NCTM Certification [Re: Arlene Steffen]
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I know that you have 2 years to complete everything, from the date that you sign the application.

The pedagogy proficiancy exam is EASY. It took me about 20 minutes (And that's including the time I checked over my answers and wondering if I really was done) It asked questions like, "When is the best time to teach the proper technique of the hand? A. When the student is a beginner, B. When the student enters intermediate repertoire, C. They can learn that by themself

There you have it

I've taken the History exam too, and it wasn't as easy, but not hard at all. I just got confused with some composers that I'd never heard of before. I just assumed that those composers were 20th century composers.

I only had to take those two proficiency exams. I had lots of theory too, so didn't need to take it. I was able to take both profeciency tests at the same time.

For the Step II final certification exam, I think that they just want to make sure that you are a competent teacher. You have to be specific. There are 4 (I think) sections to this final exam. First is philosophy. Say the question is, "How would you teach this specific Mozart sonata to a 12 year old boy" You have to be specific in you methods. What would you do first? How would you teach the rhythm? etc etc. Another example might be "How old do you believe an average student should be before beginning lessons" If you LOVE to teach out of the new MFPA books (which I know you do, like I do) then talk about the average 5-6 year old and you love to teach out of this method-technique, great songs, sheer funness of the music, CD....anything and everything that is great with MFPA.

Other sections of the test include how you run your studio, how you communicate with parents, how you can contribute to your local chapter, and how you can contribute to your community.

There's some help for you! Good luck filling out all your paperwork, and figuring out what you need to do. I bet that's the hardest part.

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#35398 - 09/13/07 11:15 PM Re: NCTM Certification [Re: Ginger]
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Thanks, Ginger, for your most colorful description - most enjoyable! \:D

Marcia, I want to try to establish some sort of timeline for myself in order to avoid a last minute cram, which I don't have time for. Every day this week, my goal has been to take one l'il babystep in getting something done, so so far, so good. I will PM you soon.

pianoc, I was reading through the certification stuff in the last 3 American Music Teachers yesterday, and one of them had an article about a gal who did it the portfolio way. It was pretty interesting - gave a timeline for what to do when to get stuff done in a 1 year period. I will confess that, after reading it, I felt the need for chocolate and would definitely choose taking the tests over the portfolio option!

Now, here's my Question of the Day for those of you who have taken the Big Test recently - ah heck, let's include the history test also, but keep the answers separate, thank you. Which books did you acquire that helped you prepare the best? Were there any you thought were a waste of valuable time? Thanks in advance for you help again!

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